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« Thread Started on Dec 6, 2006, 9:15pm » | |
Heya guys, FF, Rupert, Pete,
A request was made for a thread to be started on Dermaroller based on your conversations of the past few days ~ and if you guys could start a thread on it for ease of ref for newbies to find who miss the Isolagen post. And I've taken the liberty to copy your posts for all to view! Voila!
Also if someone could explain what a Dermaroller is? It looks like a torture gadge to me!!!! (chuckles).
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Dr Chu is keen to get me in so I can start on dermaroller treatment. I assume his buddy in Korea is using this so thats why he is so keen on it. I find it hard to imagine that it would help my deeper fibrotic scars. I thought it was only for very superficial scars. But you can use it at home, so why not give it a shot eh? |
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Rupert the Dermaroller comes in two styles, one if for home use and the other is for medical professionals - I think this is the one that has 4 mm needles.
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« Reply #1 on Dec 17, 2006, 8:55pm » | |
I basically know what I need to help my scars. I need subcision followed by an effective filler to fill the absent dermal layer. I have been having a look online and it would appear the dermis is about 3-4mm deep and after that it is the fat layer. dermal graft would likely be good but I don't like these reports of "lasts for up to 2 years" Of course some isolagen could have helped out with that.
I think if I did dermaroller it would be more to keep myself psychologically happy in that I am trying stuff for my scars rather than really trying to help the problem. I am imagining dermaroller to be safe treatment but in my case, probably not very effective.
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« Reply #2 on Dec 18, 2006, 7:00pm » | |
Rupert I'm going to have my first Dermaroller session with Dr Chu next month. He has already started treating people with this and I would love to know what the down time is. I'm guessing it's probably only a few days redness???
Any Dr Chu patients reading in and who have had this treatment done, can you please feedback on the downtime (can send pm if you like)? Pretty please?
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« Reply #3 on Dec 20, 2006, 9:14am » | |
heya fishfinger,
well I guess I am guilty of reading your post and thinking "oh it will be interesting to hear how fishfinger gets along" as in the redness, time off and amount of anaesthetic used. I am imagining the face to go a bit puffy and the scars look better cos of temporary swelling. As for effectiveness, I think we are just going to have to see. I think you are gonna be one of the early candidates for this with dr chu. However I can't see you coming to any harm from this procedure.
Yes it would be interesting to hear if anybody else has had it done. 
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« Reply #5 on Feb 13, 2007, 3:09pm » | |
Hi Everyone,
Quick update, I've had my Dermaroller session now and of course my skin looks amazing. I know, I know it's the swelling ...it's only been a week or so but I'm cautiously optimistic about this treatment.
The good things: it's relatively quick and the downtime is not bad at all. I looked VERY red and swollen on the day it was done and for a couple of days after. By the fourth day I was ok. I wouldn't have been able to go to work for about 3 days after but luckily I had the time off. Even with the swelling I think this is going to be a very good treatment for me and gives me hope now that I'm no longer able to get any more Isolagen. It's also relatively cheap at £250 which is wonderful compared to some Fraxel prices. It doesn't damage your epidermis so no fear of hyperpigmenting I believe. Dr Chu showed me the Dermaroller before he started and it looks like the one in the pictures above this post.
The bad things: Yikes it's painful! I had numbing cream on for an hour and at first I felt nothing. I actually thought this is so easy! But Dr Chu really goes for it and it was very painful by the time he went over the skin for about the fourth or so time! So for my next treatment in 3 months time I will request a local injection. I asked the nurse about this and she said Dr Chu is happy to give me a local. Most people will be ok with it (I'm sure you will be Rupert) but I could only take so much (and I am pretty tough normally).
So there you go, I am a fan (so far) of the medical Dermaroller. The needles are big on that thing and definitely DO NOT compare to any of the ones you can buy for home use. Trust me.
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ps - the girl in the photos has had a lovely result so far. Good for her!
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« Reply #6 on Feb 13, 2007, 10:05pm » | |
I am glad you are pleased ff. As u would imagine ff, I have a few questions.
Just how deep does do you think the needles go in millimetres? You know roughly - is it deep?
Is that £250 for a single session? Wow that is nowhere near what I thought the cost would be  - I was thinking more like £110 a session private. This seems a lot of money for a guy to quickly roll a baking rolling-pin with spikes over your face 4 times.  I wondering why somebody wouldn't get some numbing cream themselves and just do it in front of the mirror. I mean £250 is nearly the price of restylane/collagen and I imagine that you need a good few dermaroller sessions to get some improvement. £1000 could go very easily. Wow.
I'm certainly not dissing the treatment here, cos I haven't had it. I'm only thinking out loud. I mean what is basically going on here is needling. And I know that for needling to improve scars you need to keep doing it regularly. I know one guy who needled once a month for a year until he got some fill. And Dr Chu's sessions are 3 months apart? hmmmmmm
As for my position at the moment I am in and out of the allergy clinic at a hospital here and am frustrated at not pursuing my scar treatments at present due to hypersensitvity.  I may be OK with a local anaesthetic shot but atm I would take the horrible pain before another reaction again.
Have u booked your next few sessions ff? do u have to cos hes so booked up?
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« Reply #7 on Feb 14, 2007, 8:07am » | |
I am surprised at the £250 price tag I must say cos Dr Chu certainly isn't motivated by greed. He is just about the only doc I have met who you can tell is motivated by academia and the buzz of helping people. I wonder if the steep price tag is to try and cut his private clinic?
And yeah Pete, the price of your injections is just silly. However the doc does then take legal liability which is at least something.
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« Reply #8 on Feb 14, 2007, 11:00am » | |
I was quite surprised by the price as well but Rupert is right, Dr Chu is NOT one of the money grabbing doctors. London is one of, if not THE most expensive city in the world and nothing is cheap or reasonably priced here  BTW, to inject a filler here in London will cost you a minimum of £300 for a small syringe.
I don't agree that any idiot can do it - maybe the smaller needle home use one - but not the one that was used on my face. At least not correctly and with maximum effect. I was so glad Dr Chu carried this out because, as usual, he really went for it and it hurt! A lot.
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I'm pretty sure the needle length was 1.5 mm but as I said it hurt and my face was swollen as if I'd had a subcision.
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Answered above. Let me ask you, would you carry out subcision on your face yourself?
Quote:| As for my position at the moment I am in and out of the allergy clinic at a hospital here and am frustrated at not pursuing my scar treatments at present due to hypersensitvity. I may be OK with a local anaesthetic shot but atm I would take the horrible pain before another reaction again. |
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I think you're a lot braver than me Rupert and you'll probably be able to have it with just the numbing cream! I really hope your allergy issues are sorted out soon (I hope you're not in pain)
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I haven't booked yet as I'm going to wait and see. Dr Chu said collagen takes time to build so that's why he asks you to come in not earlier than 3 months usually. I don't see the point in needling once a month (you may even be doing more damage but what do I know, I'm not the expert).
Hope that's answered your questions
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« Reply #9 on Feb 14, 2007, 11:11am » | |
One other thing I wanted to mention. While I was at the hospital there were a few people waiting to have treatment. I could only make out what a couple of them were saying.
One of them said she had "heard" about Dermaroller and wanted to do it. The other was having it done before me.
Now I know there are many acne/scar boards that people go on, get their information and have treatments based on that information. HOWEVER, I was a little annoyed that none of these people post about their experiences. They must get the info by lurking but why not share just a bit of their own experience to benefit others?
You can still post and remain anonymouse. You don't have to go into detail or post pictures. No one here could pick me out of a line up but I have still been able to share my experiences on subcision, isolagen and now Dermaroller.
I just think it would be nice if more people came on this board to share rather than just take, take take. Alright off my soapbox now. It's Valentines Day and I'm in a VERY good mood. 
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« Reply #10 on Feb 14, 2007, 8:46pm » | |
thanx for the info ff I appreciate u taking the time to answer my questions. No I wouldn't do subcision on myself but I think there is a lot more that could go wrong with a home-subcision than there is with using the dermaroller. I certainly don't think I have anything to lose by going for a session with chewy with the dermaroller. If nothing else, seeing him gives me the opportunity to discuss my present options.
do you take your newly purchased dermaroller home with you?
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« Reply #11 on Feb 14, 2007, 11:01pm » | |
Forgive me Pete I don't mean to insult you but I really don't think you are as skilled with the Dermaroller as Dr Chu is. You're a sufferer like me, not an experienced practictioner. I trust Dr Chu with my face and I stand by what I say that no idiot (ie no medically untrained person) could do a better job than him.
Rupert please don't try this at home. Please listen to me and go to Dr Chu and he will help you as much as he can. You don't take the Dermaroller home with you but next time you have a treatment it, the same Dermaroller is used again.
I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh but this is our skin, our face that we are talking about. Don't take risks with it, don't cut corners to save a few quid, don't always be put off by someone else's negative experience and listen to ALL the advice out there. Peace.
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« Reply #12 on Feb 15, 2007, 7:56am » | |
thanks ff. I was never going to straight off try the dermaroller on my own. I would always have one with Dr C first. And yes, may, probably even, conclude that it is best left in the professional's hands.
But I think you have the right attitude. At the end of the day we have to take the risk and try things to help our skin. What may not have worked for one may work for another. My own hunch is that you are always going to do OK with Dr Chu. By OK I mean not get any worse. Scars might not get drammatially better but I have never heard of anybody get any worse with him. And thats not to be sniffed at. Cos I have read many people online over the years who have made their face look worse trying all manner of scar treatments. And dearly wish they had never bothered.
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« Reply #13 on Feb 15, 2007, 6:36pm » | |
Quote:One other thing I wanted to mention. While I was at the hospital there were a few people waiting to have treatment. I could only make out what a couple of them were saying.
One of them said she had "heard" about Dermaroller and wanted to do it. The other was having it done before me.
Now I know there are many acne/scar boards that people go on, get their information and have treatments based on that information. HOWEVER, I was a little annoyed that none of these people post about their experiences. They must get the info by lurking but why not share just a bit of their own experience to benefit others?
You can still post and remain anonymouse. You don't have to go into detail or post pictures. No one here could pick me out of a line up but I have still been able to share my experiences on subcision, isolagen and now Dermaroller.
I just think it would be nice if more people came on this board to share rather than just take, take take. Alright off my soapbox now. It's Valentines Day and I'm in a VERY good mood.
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Well said re people sharing their experiences FF (smiles). Way to go girl!!!
Hey you guys ... do you not click on the Read the last 100 posts link below? Do you just check the Scar board and nufin else? I'm only asking cos I've been leaving Rupert msgs on the Dermalux thread and he ain't responded to me ... I feel snubbed (grins). Yo Rupert?!
My face is still swollen at 9 weeks and I'm getting those sympathy stares again .... I wonder what people think. 2 years of this and I'm really sick of it. And I have to have one more surgery though I'm going to wait till the end of the year if I do decide to go ahead with it. It's a minor one ie canthopexy (which she was supposed to have done with my hard palate graft but she didn't (sighs).
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« Reply #14 on Feb 15, 2007, 8:04pm » | |
LOL - sorry JM - not deliberate I'll go look at dermalux thread
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« Reply #15 on Feb 16, 2007, 10:05am » | |
Hey...where have all Pete's posts gone?! The pictures of the girl with a great result are also missing...this thread is now full of holes and probably won't make sense to anyone reading 
Hi JM, how are you? I was going to PM you about your eyes for an update. There is a lady at my gym who has definitely had something done to her eyes and she reminds me of you every time I see her. We don't talk, just nod at each other and smile , BUT something is different about her this year, something very subtle. I can't say what it is just that she looks like she had a great long sleep. I think I need something like that. Do you have any pics? No problem if this is not cool with you.
I didn't notice about the 100 post thing. I'm going to check it out now.
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« Reply #16 on Feb 16, 2007, 2:31pm » | |
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Hi Fishfinger
It seems that Pete's deleted all his posts including his own account. I saw him online yesterday when I was posting though I thought he was just reading in. Little did I know he was deleting his whole existence on this board, which was probably really useful information for others that visit now and in the future. It's a real shame. I can only assume he got upset about the comments on the usage of Dermaroller at home (sighs) though to delete his whole existence here is like hey it's non retrievable and a strong way to say he's upset by the comment. Though he's entitled to it I suppose. Hopefully he'll come back when he's cooled down though he's deleted his whole account now - unless he's saved all his posts, he can't rebuild what he's deleted. Even I can't do that and as you say, there's holes in the thread now. It's a real shame.
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I'll PM you some pixs - I do have my own eye blog though you wouldn't want to read it as it's fairly intense and the original pictures are gross .... ie bloody etc.
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That's funny (grins) as a few people have said that - it's at the bottom of the page and I always click on it when I visit - saves me lots of time!
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« Reply #17 on Feb 17, 2007, 10:12am » | |
Quote:| It seems that Pete's deleted all his posts including his own account. I saw him online yesterday when I was posting though I thought he was just reading in. Little did I know he was deleting his whole existence on this board, which was probably really useful information for others that visit now and in the future. It's a real shame. I can only assume he got upset about the comments on the usage of Dermaroller at home (sighs) though to delete his whole existence here is like hey it's non retrievable and a strong way to say he's upset by the comment. Though he's entitled to it I suppose. Hopefully he'll come back when he's cooled down though he's deleted his whole account now - unless he's saved all his posts, he can't rebuild what he's deleted. Even I can't do that and as you say, there's holes in the thread now. It's a real shame. |
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I thought you were kidding when I first read this. I've re-read my posts and although I may have been a little passionate, I was in no way offensive. I apologised in advance in case he may have been insulted. My concern was that Rupert would listen to Pete even though Pete hadn't had the treatment done professionally. If this is the reason that he's deleted everything then he is extremely childish and selfish. Alright now I'm being offensive. I would say he is over sensitive but I don't think so because I'm sure I read a comment where I thought he patronised Rupert BUT I can't confirm that now because he's deleted all his blooming posts!
I'm so sorry about the Agnus Castus thing. I am sure I've mentioned it before. If I haven't then I am sorry. I'm a spaz.
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« Reply #18 on Feb 17, 2007, 1:33pm » | |
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I thought you were kidding when I first read this. I've re-read my posts and although I may have been a little passionate, I was in no way offensive. I apologised in advance in case he may have been insulted. My concern was that Rupert would listen to Pete even though Pete hadn't had the treatment done professionally. If this is the reason that he's deleted everything then he is extremely childish and selfish. Alright now I'm being offensive. I would say he is over sensitive but I don't think so because I'm sure I read a comment where I thought he patronised Rupert BUT I can't confirm that now because he's deleted all his blooming posts!
I'm so sorry about the Agnus Castus thing. I am sure I've mentioned it before. If I haven't then I am sorry. I'm a spaz.
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Heya Fishfinger,
Nope, not kidding ... Pete's deleted his entire existence ever on this board; and considering how passionate he was about helping others, I was totally stunned especially if all it was that he was upset by the comment about the Dermaroller and for Rupert to not try to use it personally himself. Pete's a seasoned pro on the boards, and I would have thought that if the comment did hit a raw nerve, then perhaps he'd talk about it or discuss it, as he's good at doing; instead of deleting his entire existence here.
I could be wrong though ie he could have deleted everything for another reason though I can't figure out why? Pete, if you're reading in, we miss you! Why did you go? Think about all those people in the future who will miss your knowledge and posts!
Re Agnus Cagnus, no worries - you may well have mentioned it before and doh moi may have missed it! I'm on it now and that's the main thing!
I'll PM you soon!
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p/s in future, to avoid great posts being deleted or not followed, it's a good idea to use the "quote" facility ie so that if any posts does get deleted, whomever reads in future can follow the thread cos the post is in the "quote" section.
It doesn't matter if it takes up a lot of room or there's duplicates ....
Using the "quote" facility also helps those who use the "View the last 100 messages" so that they can follow the thread easily.
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« Reply #19 on Feb 17, 2007, 4:36pm » | |
Pete is a great guy and I've known him a while. Think we get on cos we both have had deep scarring. I don't remember being patronised but do remember that Australians tend to be a lot more blunt/straight talking than the Brits are used to.
Hes done a fair few scar treatments in his time and I think he has invaluable advice. JM , don't take offence at the post deletions, thats internet life for you!
And no, I'm not about to go dermaroller myself.
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« Reply #20 on Feb 19, 2007, 11:19pm » | |
Alright Rupert, that's cool
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« Reply #21 on Mar 15, 2007, 9:11pm » | |
how are you looking ff? how long did it take for the swelling to go down?
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« Reply #22 on Mar 22, 2007, 12:33pm » | |
Hi Rupert,
I think this is a great treatment and I'm looking forward to having my next one. The swelling took about 4 days to go down. By day 5, I was looking great. My next treatment is now going to be in June as work commitments have to come first.
How are you doing? Have you booked in for a Dermaroller yet?
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« Reply #23 on Mar 23, 2007, 8:10am » | |
Well you are pretty much convincing me to go have a dermaroller done
I am glad you are liking the procedure. And the good part is you can have it fairly regular like every few months And side effects are virtually nil.
As for me, its all about the houses at the moment. Being a first time buyer it hurts. But rents here are virtually the same as mortgages. I live in Sheffield (the socialist republic of South Yorkshire laughs) and as u can imagine there is a large difference between house prices here and in London. I have no idea how the first time buyer can get on the property ladder in London. Its disgusting.
Anyway - how are you?
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martin1984
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« Reply #24 on Nov 27, 2008, 1:31pm » | |
I bought a dermaroller about 6 months ago with 2mm needles. I've used it twice, without any cream or anything. Pain wise it almost tickles, even thou I drew blood on the thinner sections or skin. I may be alone in this, but I've found that since going throu the pain of 6 years with severe acne and the subsiquent scarring, pain is almost second nature to me, and when you think the pain is a good thing it really doesnt hurt. As for the results, I can see no improvement. I'll keep using it thou just incase.
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« Reply #25 on Oct 29, 2009, 10:12am » | |
Mar 22, 2007, 12:33pm, fishfinger wrote:Hi Rupert,
I think this is a great treatment and I'm looking forward to having my next one. The swelling took about 4 days to go down. By day 5, I was looking great. My next treatment is now going to be in June as work commitments have to come first.
How are you doing? Have you booked in for a Dermaroller yet?
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Hi FF,
Did you have any more dermaroller sessions eventually? If yes, how many? What was roughly the percentage improvement in your scars? Thanks.
To all:
I have had 3 sessions of chemical peeling in the past but haven't seen much improvement in my scarring. I have read much about clinical dermaroller treatment and am now considering this for my scarring woes.
I live in Singapore and my aesthetic surgeon offers it for $600 (Singapore dollars) per session or I can buy a package of 3 for $1500. I was just wondering if the people here would recommend buying such a package of 3. I spoke to another clinic that offers the treatment for half that price but I'm skeptical about trying that one coz I have never used it before.
Also, I'm currently pregnant (20 weeks) and was wondering if anyone knows of whether or not to have this treatment during pregnancy.
To people from Singapore on this forum:
Do you recommend any doctor for the dermaroller treatment in S'pore?
Thanks,
SingMom
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keith11
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« Reply #26 on Oct 30, 2009, 5:14pm » | |
Im 21, i've suffered from acne since being 14 and its gradually got worse year on year. It left me with no self-confidence which meant I struggled making friends. I was also bullied at school because of my acne. Up until 2 months ago it was controlling my life, I barely left the house. However when spending the holidays searching the internet for new ways of treating the problem I came across a number of products which ACTUALLY WORKED for me. I now have perfectly clear skin, lots of friends and a girlfriend, it has completely changed my life for the better. Because of this I decided to make this webpage to link people, who have been in the same position as me, to the methods and treatments which worked, i have spent thousands getting to this stage so I just want to save people the same hurt and costs which I experienced.
http://acnetreatment.health.officelive.com/default.aspx
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